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By Alex Johnson
Reporter
msnbc.com
updated 11:04 p.m. ET Sept. 9, 2009
Declaring that he is determined to be the last president confronted with reshaping health care in America, President Barack Obama proposed a 10-year, $900 billion plan Wednesday night to overhaul a system that he said had left the country at “a breaking point.”

In a prime-time address to a joint session of Congress, Obama laid out the specifics of his proposal to change the way Americans’ medical care is paid for, responding to critics who have complained that he has not set forth precisely what he thinks the new program should be.

Obama outlined what he called the favored proposals of extremes on both sides of the health care debate: a single-payer system like Canada’s, in which the government provides coverage for everyone, and a dismantling of the employer-based system, leaving individuals to buy insurance on their own.

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Folks complain about anything it's Human Nature. IMO do not give MEDI CARE to RICH folks that have Gangs of Money that would pay for FREE Heath for Legal

USA citizens, Tax the Rich take care of the POOR, simple, wouldn't cost a dime.

Blue

I can see how someone could consider Health Care and Medicare being part of the same issue, but....

If he truely wanted to get the people behind him on this he needs to start in areas that truely are managed by the Federal Government and fix them first. As these prime examples of Failure are exactly what the American people are fearing is their indebted future greater than the $900b in less than 2 years.

The things to fix first are the Medicare for the Elderly - keeping in mind that these people now have little to no means to take on less benefits and higher costs and out of pocket expenses. Which is actually tied to the failures with the SS system.

The second thing to fix is the Medical coverage for those that served in the armed forces, and thusly deserve the continued medical coverage. To much is spent on managing hospitals and getting even worse care than those that show up in the emergency rooms of Arizona / California / New Mexico / Texas without health care and illegally here.

Fix those two and the SS situation and then maybe people will believe the fact that someone could possibly fix the rest of the problem. Until then, managing small cracks in a dam makes more sense (even if costlier) than destroying the dam and rebuilding (when your not a dam builder).

As it stands right now, we have LAWMAKERS that do not have to live by the LAWS that they create and pass. Regardless of what happens, they are covered medically and finacially for years in a system that remains funded even when ours goes dry.


And how do I see $900b in 2 years versus his 10? Name one finacially backed program since taking office that has worked the way it was intended?

Banks take money for bailout, they send it out of the country, they throw parties, they pay bonuses while they are laying peope off and losing money daily, they foreclose, they raise interest rates while the FED cuts theirs, they tack on penalties, no one accounts for where the money went.

So on the Banking end, we got F*d twice, once in all the money we gave them and the second time in the credit bill that allowed them to F* us legally by jacking interest and penalties.

Cash for Clunkers - need I really say more? I got to.......This was a quick fix for a bad situation that will actually make it worse. Future sales will drop off, causing more layoffs at dealerships and manufacturing locations. Teh cars were supposed to be Gas effecient...trading a car that gets 17mpg for a 19mpg HUMMER was not supposed to happen. Then the cars were supposed to be disabled, this also did not happen, so these cars are now being resold - how did we win here? The cost of your low end used cars went up, because the Cash for Clunkers showed people they were worth $3500 min. Now you get a real Piece O S* with ungodly milage for what you used to get a decent used vehicle for. It ran out of money to fast, was re-funded, has ended, and people still cannot get their money. I honestly think alot of the dealers used their normal Unethical and scrupulous tactics to get any money they could - the worst thing is to wish they fail / goto jail / or go bancrupt as that will hurt their employees and the customers that were promised services after the sale.

The Housing Bailout - which was really tied to the Banking Bailout and the Credit Card cr* - even if people do not realize it. We paid for the same thing twice in some areas.

Its is pretty obvious, that $900b was just picked to give a number that someone thought people could hang their hat on, and 10 years was picked to put it well outside of a possible second term.