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me buds system twister is maybe sick



i got these 2 fans. i might use the Roswell for the cpu fan [maybe not- i dont want to power it from mobo-and i dont think it has just a rpm wire]. but i need 1 for cpu and intake.. the like silverstone on the cpu will not adjust under 2000 rpm it should goto 900~2350 or so. it will adjust up but not down. so i think its the controller.its going on 4 years old now so.

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but.. i say i think its sick. i noticed near a year ago. the cpu temps from guru was running a lil high than normal say 96-98f while system is showing maybe 88f. well with these large coolers. all of my systems and this system when i first built it. idle the cpu temps always run 2-10f more cool than said system temps.. naturally under load the cpu would get more hot. but 100% cpu never got much over 118f or so.. so i was thinking maybe it needs a good cleaning. and figured out the cpu fan will not dial down the rpm's but if anything the cpu should be more cool.. the system was right dirty. i have not blown it out for a while and intake fans and filters was dirty too.. dan has been slipping on the vac.

i did notice when i took the system apart. 1 side of the tr si128 had a few lil scratches on the bottom.. im thinking a brr maybe.. im going take it back apart. and maybe take some emory cloth and go around the edges of the cpu and try and smooth it out a lil.. or

the cpu stock cooler bracket might not be tight on 1 side. these brackets only have 1 screw on each side. the am2 has 2 screws each side.. but this stock bracket has the 3 notches to securely hold the cooler and not break like on my an9 system did.. so. while i have it apart im going to check and tighten the lil bracket hold down screws. and clean the mobo again.. i could have missed something and its dirty and making the cpu temps read high..

or i guess. could be dust bunnys on the back on mobo and between mobo tray..

or the sensor is going bad.. but if its just showing cpu temps as being 10-14f more hot than they really are i can live with it.. i seen these temps from bios.. i cleared CMOS. i added new vid card from ati to nvidia and a new hdd will be boot drive.. and will install xp pro sp2 fresh. old hdd is not hooked up.. being i have a 2gig kit. i booted into bios with just 1 stix to set up bios.. i notice high cpu temps then and after reboot with added 1gig stix for 2g total so.. hmm

im not sure if temps might run high while in set up of bios and because os is not installed and system drivers and c-n-c maybe.. but.. i think all of my systems build from scratch the cpu is always more cool.. and as said i noticed cpu temps being high before i took it all apart.. the system temps is running 88f cpu is running 100-102 so thats not right. and open case too. if i boot to bios with my an9 system its system 86f cpu is 80f. the on case ambient temp prob says maybe 88f.. the kn8 twister system.. cpu voltages seem normal showing 1.36v so.. it normally flux 1.35v ~ 1.4 etc

im going to take it apart clean and put it back together.. this last time i got the si128 mounted it looked cocked about 2-3 degrees.. saying the cooler will spin a lil on the cpu. counter or clockwise. and is made like that where you can mount it at a 45 degree angle i think it is. some theraml pastes might seal it in place but this mx2 stays soft. so i have to always be careful working in the case so not to bump and rotate it a lil.. it had silver 5 on it before. but.. when i went to turn it a lil to make it look right. it got away from me and rotated maybe 10-12 degrees. and then i moved where i wanted if.. maybe it broke the seal on my mx2 thermal paste.. im not sure.. but. i going to do it again and blow a lil air behind the mobo.. and do things listed stuff above as trouble shooting. brrs etc.. if it still runs hot i figure its the sensor.. i dont think its a killer and cant use the system .. i just dont trust any more readings is all.. the mobo has out lived its warranty so its been a good system. and i read the sensors can go bad or might be off by 10-12f sometimes any way.. being i built this system and have 1 just like it and coolers etc.. i know for a fact the cpu temps are not as they should be..

i added a evga 9800gt and 320g sata drive. jumped to run @1.5 or sata1.. after its all running i will nuke his 40 g hdd and make it extra storage.. i cleaned it all up pretty good and all caps and chips on mobo etc.. but did not clean every lil spot on the pcb.. maybe i missed something.. but seems to me cpu temps are internal.. not like some prob on the mobo or any thing.. i will try and fix it and add the new fans is all i can do..

i will try and get it all going and os installed before new fans get here friday or monday.. just the high cpu temps will tun me nuts if i cant fix it and tho its not very high.. but i know its not right.. i will not sleep etc

man the 9800gt is a long sucker more long than my 8800gtsko.. but the pcie power connector went on hard. its going to be a twitch to get off.. so freaken tight its going to kill me. and its not a lot of room from the lower hdd either. the connector is just above it.. but the dang things are so small and fit so tight.. they must not ever think about what you have to do or hurt your self trying to get them apart.. but i understand tight connections are a good thing too.. but gees..

see ya

Sorry I could not read all of this because it kept rambling and going back and forth to what you might do and what might be and what you might do and what it might be.....

Compressed air the complete unit, do not shake the cans while spraying or turn them upside down.

Remove, clean, emery cloth, re thermal paste the CPU cooler.

Make sure this unit is not in a computer cabinet or cubbie.

If this is an AM2 AMD X2 64, my CPU fan is running around 3000RPM. Factory CPU fan.

You may want to check your voltages also, and make sure the CPU is getting the correct voltage.

98f is 36c, that's really not bad at idle. All my quads idle at about 34c. And 118f/ 67c at full load is really good. My quads run at 75c full load with a huge Zahlman cooler on them.

Like GB said, clean it all off, lap it, reapply the paste (only need a thin layer) make sure it's sitting flat and see what the idle temp is. Keep in mind that it always takes a few days of operation before the thermal paste makes a good, solid bond. At least with the AS Ceramica I use temps come down after a day or two. Chris.

its all cool..

but i could not say all i had to say in 1 neat sentence or maybe a 3 line paragraph..

i was more thinking out loud and trying to trouble shoot while typing..

the mx2 has no cure time.. sliver5 has upto a 200 hours cure time..

ya i only use a thin coat.

im not sure why temps was going up over time. i figured it needed a good cleaning,,i have read silver 5 can break down and not cool very good.. i used air good and cleaned most stuff on the mobo with qtips and alcohol.. i will air behind the mobo between mobo tray and clean the mobo again..

i just needed a break and it will be a few days before the fans get here any way so..

it just makes me a lil sad after working on it and it looks so good. and have to do it again.. the dag gone pcie connector on the vid card is going to piss me off too trying to get it off..

i think i have some emery cloth here. i hope so any way..

maybe i will go kill some big daddys on my system.. will make me feel better

i cant find my emory cloth. i will go out later this morning and buy some.i think i have about 7 bucks that should be enough.

new egg fans said should be here 6-18-09. 2 days not bad i guess from tenn.

i will take it apart later today.. maybe sometime tonight see if i can get the pcie vid card connection off. its about 1-15 am now so. i will do all i can if it still runs a lil hot i figure its the sensor or what ever..

but ya chris.. both my thermalright xp120 or si128's cool real well.. i buy them like i do because the fan over the mobo and help cool other lil goodies too.. im going to see if i can find the screens i posted at abit while building it and from bench tests etc.. i had some photos showing temps in guru etc.. it was winter time here but cpu. never goes over 118f or on any of my or dans computers.. sometimes when its hot summer and no ac. temps might go as high 122f but thats not bad either and thats with 100f room temps..heck with that tho..

my computers and i hang out in the ac these days. and i put a hepa filter on my window unit ac at that.

think i will play some bioshock and make a few videos and make all of the pain go away.. help some lil sista.. my good deeds for this night. ha ha

hmm.. i could change cpu's and pop in this 165 opty i have i traded blue for my x2 3800+.. im just not sure if i use opty x2 type system drivers and cnq or duel core optimizer etc.. i think i read its different drivers etc for a opty versus a x2. but that might be more for a server build.. other times i read it seems folks set up his opty as though its a x2 as far as drivers etc go.. its a lil confusing.. i just need to know what to download that is said proper.. but its said these lil optys oc like hell too.. which i would not push it. but a few hundred mhz wouldnt hurt.i think it runs 1.8g stock.. 2 ~ 2.2gigs would be sweet. maybe bump up the htt a lil for a easy oc..

***this is a photo from when i first built twister. seems i was surfing abit site and posting a bench screen while running prime 95 and cpu burn in and all security and irafan view @100% cpu. as seen cpu temp was 117f.. prime etc. had been running a few hours im sure.. um cpu burn in is not a normal install it just runs from dtop etc. and i dont think it uses a task bar icon either.. 1x prime alone is not enough to give me 100% cpu so.

but im almost positive. the cpu at idle should be 2f or more cool than the system temps.. unless i remember wrong about new builds and set up bios temps are more high than after os and driver installs.. but i dont think so.. after ever build 1 of the first things i do is check temps and voltages etc. i think i do remember from bios or guru my cpu temps always show more low than system temps. hmm.

i will do as best i can and then to hell with it.. i cant work miracles and it is near 4 years old now.. and this photo was with 1gig kit.i added 2 gig kit later

To run that Opty you only need the Dual Core optimizer. But be sure the board's BIOS will "see" the chip or it won't run right. After you install it, ask Windows to scan for new hardware. It should then find the CPU. In Task Manager you will see both cores. Yes, those older Opti's did O/C pretty well. Didn't get real hot either. I think I paid almost $500 for my first Opti 165 Wow have times changed. Only paid $180 for my Quad core Phenom II Chris.

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if i was to set it up and use the opty. it would be like a new fresh system build.. i would never install a new cpu or mobo and not do a fresh xp install any way--

im installing on new hdd xp will have to format before it puts the os on it.. so the bios would have to see the opty. or i will never make it into xp install.. i have the latest bios on it.. but.. im still confused about installing the opty.. i guess id set it all up as tho its a x2 dual core. and forget its named a opty.. use what drivers etc for a x2 chip.. as i had said its different drivers etc.. for a opty and x2.. but i think that was more for server set ups--

i think most of us normal or gamers and oc types set up the opty as a normal x2 chip.. but even then.. its different set ups for a single core cpu and the x2's. and its no real info that says you use this or that or stuff on disc for single or dual cores etc.. i think the basic mobos back then and drivers on disc etc was more for single core systems.. it was not but a few dual cores back in the day so.. like chip set driver on the disc.. i dont know if i install that for both single or dual core system or not-- i do think its a separate download for dual core chip set-- hell its been so long now-- my fatality is dual core and is not a lot of differences am2 or my kn8.. and i dont always sleep and up for days and cant think or remember sometimes.. or find past notes etc..

i got every thing now.. emery cloth and new fans and i got the pcie vid card connector off early this morning.. took me 45 minutes of trying to break my thumb nails to get it apart.. im just glad i had not cut them in the last few days-- i normally keep them short so not to dig holes into my key board keys. and to im not a girl or a pimp so . i will work on it a lil later tonight..i slept all day.. turn off the tv and lights etc.. i slept a good long time-- i needed it too.. i think im going to skip using the opty.. i might pull the 3700 out of the socket.. and lay out the emery cloth.. flip over the cpu and rub it a few times and then see what it looks like-- it should cut in and show me high and low points etc.. or if its total flat or just a brr.. hell the cooler bottom could be warped to.. im not trying to kill me self over it or beat my brains out either.. its just dan is 1 of my best buds and i built the system.. and have not been cleaning it lately etc.. but it took him over a year to find his 285 dollar copy of xp pro retail he hide from his self-- the system should have been taking apart and cleaned and fresh os over a year ago-- he found it a few months ago-- im just now getting to it.. but it was winter too- just now getting warm really.. i was servicing it more and was helping cut his grass and stuff too- so i was over there more-- every week at 1x

but they dont have to be service or updates or defrags every month any way-- he does lil with it too. lil surfing weather stuff or he listens to streaming radio jazz stuff and print weather maps.. so he was good.. other than cpu temps running a lil high and he will not vac the filters like he should every week or so.. i think humidity was a prob too.. it will make dust or dirt on filters turn to mud almost-- and then dry into stucco and cant breath.. im not sure why the cpu cooled well for a long while and started getting more high over time.. i think its a sensor maybe.. or i guess the silver 5 was not very good maybe.. i read it can break down and get brittle and not cool well after a few years too.. but this rebuild its still a lil hot in bios and before xp install so.. i will do it again.. maybe when i rotated the cooler it messed up the thermal seal of the mx2.. ac mx2 is some good chit-- better and more cool than silver5 and will not transfer electricity either.. its neutral.. no cure time and lasts like 8 years. it cools some 10f better than silver5 too. so something is not right and ive installed these coolers some 8x maybe and its plenty of clearances etc.. maybe the bracket is not tight i dont know-- i will do as best i can.. is all i can do.. my opty is back up for my 4000+ but id let my bud use it if need be.. he has really looked out for me so.. but the dual cores are more buggy- i hope to keep using his 3700+

us folks that do not build systems every day forget stuff. but i have a basic install instructions printed.. i did from my past posts.. but ive had other notes in other places to.. i will figure it out.. i just posted here more or less thinking out loud. and more notes i can turn to if needed..

thanks.. see ya..