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Postby cas » Sun Dec 27, 2009 3:04 pm

Just got a scarcastic remark from a guy from usa, calling my answer and help as canned answer, lol following are what he posted

People with Nvidia cards please visit the nvidia forum and let them know we are having problems with the cards/drivers. All of the nvidia cards are crashing an older golf game called Microsoft Links 2003. I would place a safe bet that Drivers for series 5000 to 9000 Nvidia Geforce AGP and PCI-e cards are the problem. I have posted my two cents at Nvidia's forum but they don't seem to want to respond to the few of us who have gone there to post our issues. Links 2003 is an old golf game that plays "perfectly" on late ATI cards. So you might say switch, right? NO way. I have a great system set up with all types of upgrades around my AMD Athlon 64x2 5000 dual processor and 8800 OC GT 512 MB PCI-e graphics card and 4 GB RAM. Not one glitch with the card in Windows 7 Home Premum 32 or 64 bit (except Links 2003). To replace the 8800 GT's would be another $200.00 for an ATI card that I do not/should not have to purchase. The 8800 GT is a work horse and still commands a might dollar in used condition at eBay.


And next are mine

Just a thought, does the card only crash on microsoft links 2003? what about other game? Btw did you try using win 7 default drivers instead of those at nvidia site? Alternatively try running the game or drivers in xp or vista compatible mode in in win 7


And his reply

I am a Power User and have tried all attempts to rectify the problem. It's a driver issue.....

Did you follow the link to Nvidia? Did you research their site for ideas? Did you visit other Mfg's sites that use Nvidia chips to see if they are getting tired of the complaints? ;) When I post something in a forum, it's done so after exhaustive research. Try it yourself first before attempting "canned" answers. ;)
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Re: It doesn't pay helping out other's in forum

Postby Mr. Chris » Sun Dec 27, 2009 4:20 pm

hahahaha, a Power User, eh? :roll:

Take it with a grain of salt, Cas. I get much worse at the VIA Forums. :shock: You just have to ignore him and move on to someone that really needs help, rather than that idiot who just wants to boost his ego.
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Re: It doesn't pay helping out other's in forum

Postby Greybear » Sun Dec 27, 2009 11:19 pm

You more than welcome to post this in return.

I have spent the last 2 years on the NVIDIA Forums. In the two years I have found several things that I found to be quite interesting.

1) The forums it almost 99% User to User, which means that for the last two years, I have been their TECH SUPPORT response as well as a few others. So, pretty much what I say is neither canned, nor official, but the most Official answer that your prolley going to get.

2) Your an ASS. As you did not read that previous response to your inquiry, you expected some magic fix-all.

3) Your magic fix-all is as simple as knowing that the problem is indeed a drivers issue. It is a two fold issue....Yes, the driver and your own stupidity.

As the newer driver works perfectly for the newer cards and the newer games, your stupidity tells you to keep updating the driver for no other reason than it is the latest driver.

Simple rule of thumb, when it aint broke, release a driver and let others break it. If it works, STOP F'ing with it.

So, that said, locate a MUCH older drivers and install that. Youll be amazed that you loder games work, and oddly enough, so do the newer games. For anyone that says, BS, I was just recently using my 7600GS with the 93.71 and playing all the games I tossed at it. I just did this same driver crom the XP package on my Windows 7 32bit installation to use with my GeForce Ti4200 AGP. It is now installed and working. Unfortunately I have no game installed on that one, but system is identifying all items.

I am also using the 9.16 chipset driver on my XP machine without issue.

4} The last thing I find perculiar about the POWER USERS and non-techies that appear on the forums is that thye have this inate stupidty to believe the newer drivers are better than the previous versions and a refusal to step backwards even when problems that did not exist prior to the update appear. But they will spend countless hours working for a solution and bitching about it, ignoring the facts that face them even in their own assessment of the issue at hand.
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Re: It doesn't pay helping out other's in forum

Postby cas » Mon Dec 28, 2009 12:51 am

Hey guys thanks for the advise and concern, just wanna update, following are further reply and comment make by me and him

Him:
OK. This is my last post to t his answer. The question has been answered eslewhere, not here. You young people need to think outside the box. There is no canned script for this answer, it's an oversight or laziness on the part of nVidia not to fix the problem. There are more games and other applications not running Win7 due to Nvidia problems with drivers.

We'll consider this answered. If Links 2003 can play in Vista it should also be able to play in Win7 with new drivers for Nvidia cards. This is an Nvidia problem, not an end-user problem.


Me:
If it can play in vista, of cos it can play in win 7 as i mention earlier on just run it on compatible mode


Him:
Are you not hearing me? I said "I did all the normal tweaks" and it does not work. You're just posting to annoy, stop it please.


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Btw the following is his site though he look friendly to me at first glance lol :roll:

http://www.niceget.com/
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Re: It doesn't pay helping out other's in forum

Postby Greybear » Mon Dec 28, 2009 1:16 am

Well for a TECH guy he is obviously not to smart.

1) What is the exact error presented when running the game?
2) Older drivers, not newer are what is needed.
3) It was a known issue that Microsoft had to issues patches for its own games with VISTA, so its a Microsoft issue before it is a nVidia issue.
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Re: It doesn't pay helping out other's in forum

Postby BlueMonster » Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:52 pm

Greybear wrote:Well for a TECH guy he is obviously not to smart.

1) What is the exact error presented when running the game?
2) Older drivers, not newer are what is needed.
3) It was a known issue that Microsoft had to issues patches for its own games with VISTA, so its a Microsoft issue before it is a nVidia issue.


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I can't stand it when folks think they know it all. I admit I sure as Hell don't, but my system, I keep up

very well, just by searching for answers, (Google and Forums) anyhow I have ran one game with my NV

cards, that I did indeed have to install Out-Dated Drivers to fix it, and get it to run without GFX corruption.

But one game in all the years I've been gaming, is not BAD, the game was/is "You are Empty" from

Russia, by 1c. Actually it was a pretty cool game, nice GFX, the models, some sucked while others

were very well done.

Compatibility mode can help folks to.

Link:: http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/31 ... -mode.html

YOU ARE EMPTY (with old 73XX Drivers)

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When I try and run it with NEW drivers, I get a Checker Board Sky and other objects the same thing.

This is an Image with NEW Drivers, I had to run it with 73XX Drivers, OLD ass drivers, but ran and looked

perfect. ;)

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Note the Sky.

Blue

I also run all my game as Administrator...and use the Compatibility pane if need be, just on OLD ass games.

I think DOS BOX will run any Really OLD game, BTW.

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Re: It doesn't pay helping out other's in forum

Postby Mr. Chris » Fri Jan 01, 2010 2:46 am

The Steam Forums can get a little bit "hot" at times. People pissed at Steam because a game they bought there doesn't work, and they seem to think it's Steam's fault, and Steam should fix the game or refund it. Then they get pissed at those of us there that are trying to help, gets frustrating. :?
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Re: It doesn't pay helping out other's in forum

Postby SCAVENGER1 » Sun Jan 03, 2010 4:47 am

Mr. Chris wrote:The Steam Forums can get a little bit "hot" at times. People pissed at Steam because a game they bought there doesn't work, and they seem to think it's Steam's fault, and Steam should fix the game or refund it. Then they get pissed at those of us there that are trying to help, gets frustrating. :?

lol are you thinking im gulity of this by chnace ? well yeah i know but still i think they should be able to refund or exchange a game if it does not run or what ever reason it is i think.

but anyways still some user can get it or not get it or think they know it. or they come up with the old generic up date your driver asnd bios and that will fix BS!! which i guess most beginner pc player fit that and would work for them.

something i am way past and keep up on and keep driver on hand at all times and look for newers 1 for my system at all times. but you will find times that you will get a user that will be thank full that you did help them out.

i have been on both side of that coin my self and have state as such in many different forums i travel on to. be it tech or automotive types. and now since i went from green to red gfx i have a new learning curve so i get to learn all over again.

but i have learn and help out all over again in another forum i go to. and i am still a beta tester for gfx driver and since i have the new 5 series gfx card i am really in demand since they did change some thing.

but yes i still think it does pay to help out other in forum yet.
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Re: It doesn't pay helping out other's in forum

Postby Mr. Chris » Sun Jan 03, 2010 9:37 am

SCAVENGER1 wrote:
Mr. Chris wrote:The Steam Forums can get a little bit "hot" at times. People pissed at Steam because a game they bought there doesn't work, and they seem to think it's Steam's fault, and Steam should fix the game or refund it. Then they get pissed at those of us there that are trying to help, gets frustrating. :?


lol are you thinking im gulity of this by chnace ? well yeah i know but still i think they should be able to refund or exchange a game if it does not run or what ever reason it is i think..


Oops, no, Scavy, I didn't mean you personally. Sorry if it came off that way. :? Trust me, there are some that really get angry and insulting, you were upset but you didn't aim it at the Members trying to help you. Others do. Like the Forum Members work for Steam or the game company. It's gets interesting to say the least. And I visit the catagories for the games I own to try and help others, so some days I spend 2 hours there! :shock:
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Re: It doesn't pay helping out other's in forum

Postby SCAVENGER1 » Sun Jan 03, 2010 4:19 pm

:oops: ok just checking ;)

since i am still not all that happy yet with avatar since i have to play in vista it self and not compatibility mode in win7 wont work. and then again vista it still doesnt run perfect yet since i have a 3hr window as it is lol.

but we are talking about ubi soft after all and they do have 1 of The worst track records around. just check there forums for all there games for pc or console it wont be pretty lol i know i am in a few of them.. i use to hang out in some for hrs my self in game i played all the time to Chris so i know how ya feel and some think the same way as those you are talking abot so yeah i have delt with that kind as well.

and those kinds are all ways the 1 that only been on the forum for a short time and they think they know it all ya know..
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