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ATI Radeon HD 4870 / HD 4850

Postby honestjohn » Sat Nov 22, 2008 8:50 pm

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art ... VzaWFzdA==

AMD is taking on a new strategy with video cards. They want to give you the “perfect gaming solution for $200-$300.” That is certainly an admirable goal. We know that NVIDIA’s GeForce GTX 280 offers a great gameplay experience, but it also costs over $600. AMD’s strategy is a scalable one; think smaller GPUs in parallel. In fact, the new ATI Radeon HD 4800 series GPUs are only 16mm across versus NVIDIA’s 24mm across on its GTX 200 series GPU. The Radeon HD 4800 series GPUs are indeed small; they are literally the size of a dime.

AMD has made significant improvements in the architecture, in every component. The AMD ATI Radeon HD 4800 series is based on a 55nm process with 956 Million transistors. They have bumped the stream processor count up to 800 (versus 320 on the HD 3000 series.) They have also bumped up the texture units to 40 from 16 in the last generation. However, the ROP count stays the same at 16, though there have been improvements made to the ROPs to increase performance. Before anyone asks, yes, they have fixed the AA performance.

The stream processors have undergone many changes; they are now laid out as 10 SIMD cores, each with 80 32-bit stream processors (800 total). They also now can do fast double precision processing with integer big shift operations for all units. There are 80 scalar stream processors per unit with 16KB of local data cache that is shared. Each unit has its own control logic and each has 4 dedicated texture units plus L1 cache. Tessellation performance has also been improved. Of course, DX 10.1 is supported as well.

The texture units have also received quite a bit of work; there is double the texture cache bandwidth of the HD 3000 series. The entire cache system has been reworked to improve performance. The ROPs have also been improved to allow better AA performance among other things. There is also a new AA mode being introduced called CFAA which stands for Custom Filter AA. There will be a drop down box in the control panel where you can select the option called “Edge Detect” which will enable the CFAA modes. “Box Filter” is the regular AA modes.

The way CFAA works is really rather simple, it uses the stream processors to do edge detect AA to provide better AA image quality, up to the equivalent of 24X AA. The great thing about it is that it does not use or need a larger memory footprint for doing this as it does not tax the framebuffer. It does however tax the stream processors, so in shader intensive games it may not be possible unless you have cycles to spare. In the games we are testing today we did not find it playable in any of them with the highest playable settings. We will be doing further investigating of performance and image quality of CFAA modes in a later evaluation and dive into more detail then.

There have also been other various improvements, such as memory controller optimizations to support the new GDDR5 memory modules. GDDR5 offers double the bandwidth of GDDR3/4 basically, and allows AMD to achieve high bandwidth on a 256-bit memory bus.


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Re: ATI Radeon HD 4870 / HD 4850

Postby honestjohn » Sun Nov 23, 2008 2:47 am

HD 4870 512MB Reviews

Anandtech:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3341

Bjorn3d:
http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=1301

Computerbase:
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/hard ... f_hd_4870/

Guru3D:
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd ... iew--asus/

HardOCP:
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.h ... VzaWFzdA==

HardwareCanucks:
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/ha ... eview.html

Hexus:
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=13972

Firingsquad:
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ati ... rformance/

PCPerspective:
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?type=e ... =581&pid=2

TechReport:
http://techreport.com/articles.x/14990


HD 4870 1GB Reviews

Anandtech:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3415

Bit-tech:
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/1 ... n-sample/1

FIringsquad:
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ati ... gb_review/

Guru3D:
http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-ati-r ... mb-review/

Hexus:
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=15463

TechReport:
http://techreport.com/articles.x/15651


HD 4870 1GB Reviews VS. GTX 260 Core 216 & Nvidia 180.xx Drivers

Bjorn3D:
http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=1414&pageID=5826

Computerbase:
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/hard ... spielen/3/

Firingsquad:
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/xfx ... efault.asp

Fudzilla:
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?optio ... 9&Itemid=1

Guru3D:
http://www.guru3d.com/article/top-10-ga ... -216-test/

OverclockersClub:
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews ... _pc_games/

Anandtech's results differ from every other review site listed above. They are also contrary to my own personal findings as well.
ATI however will be releasing it's own Performance Driver 8.12 on December 10th which should even things out again. Stay tuned.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3462&p=4


HD 4850 512MB Reviews

Anandtech:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3341&p=1

Bjorn3D:
http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=1321

EliteBastards:
http://www.elitebastards.com/cms/index. ... &Itemid=27

Guru3D:
http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-ati-r ... owercolor/

HardwareCanucks:
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/ha ... eview.html

OCWorkbench:
http://my.ocworkbench.com/2008/palit/Pa ... -intro.htm

OverclockersClub
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews ... or_hd4850/

TechPowerUp:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/HD_4850/
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Postby honestjohn » Tue Nov 25, 2008 6:08 pm

Some of the more interesting HD 4870 / HD 4850 designs I've seen since the cards were released...

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Re: ATI Radeon HD 4870 / HD 4850

Postby amek932x » Tue Nov 25, 2008 6:10 pm

Wow....
really nice info Hj...

this can help many people.

thanks so much HJ
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Re: ATI Radeon HD 4870 / HD 4850

Postby honestjohn » Tue Nov 25, 2008 6:15 pm

amek932x wrote:Wow....
really nice info Hj...

this can help many people.

thanks so much HJ


Thanks Amek! :)

I've always loved graphic card tech whatever color they happened to be. I think it goes back to my newbie days which were about 17 years ago. Didn't know much back then, but I could always swap out a graphics card.
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Re: ATI Radeon HD 4870 / HD 4850

Postby amek932x » Tue Nov 25, 2008 6:32 pm

i like that MSI 4850..
maybe i'll buy that someday, if i'm ready to build new rig...maybe in january or feb.
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Re: ATI Radeon HD 4870 / HD 4850

Postby honestjohn » Tue Nov 25, 2008 6:45 pm

amek932x wrote:i like that MSI 4850..
maybe i'll buy that someday, if i'm ready to build new rig...maybe in january or feb.


Good choice and MSI has a 3 year guarantee as well, Visiontek has a lifetime warranty but I've been hearing more and more unfavorable things from people lately when trying to get service.
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Re: ATI Radeon HD 4870 / HD 4850

Postby honestjohn » Fri Nov 28, 2008 4:02 pm

Radeon 4870 price to sink $20

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?optio ... 5&Itemid=1

First adjustment since launch

Since Nvidia has the 180 series driver and is actually winning with Geforce GTX 260 with 216 Shaders in many popular games, ATI is readying to slightly adjust its price in order to put more pressure before the final Xmas shopping spree.

We’ve learned that ATI will drop its price by about $20 to channel which should result that these cards will get around $20 cheaper for customers around the world. European customers should see prices down by about 15 euro, which will give ATI a better fighting chance.

At the same time, ATI knows that they don’t have PhysX and there is a big rumour that the upcoming game called Mirror’s Edge might really push PhysX like never before. This is the first price reduction of RV770 based cards since launch which definitely proves that ATI did a good job and managed to sustain its launch price since it launched the card months ago.

As of this morning the European prices have started to drop from €200+ to €180+, and you can get Sapphire's HD4870 for €184 here.
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Re: ATI Radeon HD 4870 / HD 4850

Postby SCAVENGER1 » Fri Nov 28, 2008 8:08 pm

hey i got this from Newegg it is one of there black Friday sales

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... _-14102810

$259.99
Your Price: $199.99
With Promo Code
EMCBBCJBG

even though right now it says auto notify must made a huge sale out of this. and it is for today only to now if i had the cash i would not mind and try 1 of these. and then use my 8800 for the physicX. uhm i wonder if that could be done?
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Re: ATI Radeon HD 4870 / HD 4850

Postby honestjohn » Fri Nov 28, 2008 9:37 pm

SCAVENGER1 wrote:hey i got this from Newegg it is one of there black Friday sales

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... _-14102810

$259.99
Your Price: $199.99
With Promo Code
EMCBBCJBG

even though right now it says auto notify must made a huge sale out of this. and it is for today only to now if i had the cash i would not mind and try 1 of these. and then use my 8800 for the physicX. uhm i wonder if that could be done?


Yeah, just saw that on another site. Damned good deal.

Do you mean using the HD 4870 as a Primary and the 8800GT for PhysX?
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